New challenge classes for 2025

VRRA Racing Forum General Discussion
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We have room in the schedule for a few test challenge races for the 2025 season.
Feel free to discuss the proposed races here.
The Membership Secretary will send out a poll near the end of the month to cast your vote on what you’d like to enter and or see at our events.
All of the chosen classes will run at all four of the events.
The Post Vintage Invitational (now medium and heavy) was voted on at the AGM to make it an official test class for the 2025 season so it’s already slotted into the schedule.

Battle of the Twins
Two cylinder four stroke only, air and liquid cooled
All classes defined by the VRRA
Three classes, divided into light, middle and heavy

Song of Singles
Single cylinder four strokes, air and liquid cooled
Open to all years up to 2025 machines
Road race machines only
Two classes, up to 400cc and open

2T GP Open
Two stroke machines air or liquid cooled
Any year and class right up to 2025
Three classes, 125, 250 and 500+

British European American Racing Series
Two or four stroke machines, air or liquid cooled
Any machine not made in Japan
Two classes, Junior (500cc) and Senior (1000cc+)

Big Bore Unlimited Open
Four stroke, four cylinder machines, air, oil and liquid cooled
Motors must be 900cc or larger
Up to model year 1996
No restrictions on frames, suspension or wheels
Two classes, ACU Open and LCU Open
The ACU Open would be the same as last years P3 Philip Island Fire Breathing Monsters race we had at CTMP.

Timothy
Competition Coordinator

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Timothy. The 2T open makes absoloutly no sense.

  • What if you have a 350?
  • Why wouldn’t you just follow the AHRMA rules and get AHRMA folks to attend. Thats a 30 person class in the US. If you can get 5 they may enter the bikes native class as well +senior/junior open. Thats another $500 per rider
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From the AHRMA Handbook;

8.8 OPEN TWO-STROKE
Open to any two-stroke motorcycle, regardless of displacement, number of cylinders,
frame type, cooling type or date of manufacture.

We can eliminate the classes in the 2TGP and just run it as an Open.
Not a problem.
Easier for me to grid. :slight_smile:

Timothy

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I’m just thinking its such a huge class at AHRMA and if you could get 5 of those guys at Calabogie and Mosport that would bump up the number significantly… and who wouldn’t want to ride at Calabogie and Mosport

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Exactly.
I know numbers for those classes might be low for either of the Shannonville rounds.
But they should attract a lot of interest at Calabogie and Mosport.
I’m hoping to attract bikes with no where else to go.
A swarm of RZ350’s on the grid would be a sight not seen in a long time.

Filling out P1 is part two of the get more riders out plan.

Timothy

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I fully support an Open two stroke race!

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Very exciting !

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Hello Tim,

In December you had mentioned that the Membership Secretary would send out a poll near the end of the month for the membership to cast our votes on. When is this happening or did I miss the boat? Time for all to get signed up for 2025 so we can vote?

Best regards,

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Hello Tim,

Could we look at adding room for the small class to allow 1967 and older air cooled 4 stroke singles to be 500cc, this might allow our P1 bikes in.

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Hello Tim,

Next question,

That is the breakdown for the three classes?

Interested in where air cooled, pushrod 500cc fits in.

Best regards,

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In lightweight singles, would it make sense to extend Paul’s suggestion so that the air-cooled 2V SOHC Yamaha singles (TT, XT, SR) can enter? We used to see quite a few in the club, but not so many these days though they must still be around. I have one. With the changes to P3 light they no longer have a worthwhile bump class from P2 MWP but SOS would be fun. Even well-built they are no more powerful than a good P1 single and the chassis is no great thing either. But they are bullet-proof :slight_smile:

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Hi Tim,
Re the Son of Singles & evolving proposals, could we discuss changing the current proposed rule ?
from: “Up to 400cc”
to: “Up to 450cc 4valve or 600cc 2 valve”

Cheers, Mike Heggarty #815

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Tim. What does “Road race machines only” mean. Would that include SuperMono?

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Tim,

I’m very interested in seeing the Sound of Singles Class evolve into reality for this year.

That said I like the open 2 stroke class as well but would like clarification on whether a 625cc Rotax 4 stroke single in a TZ250 chassis would be given special consideration for inclusion in this class. Given the bike was originally built to race against the 250s I feel it is a good but odd fit that would be fun to watch.

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Thanks for all the questions guys. This is why this post is here. :slight_smile:

OK, so the final definition of the classes will be worked out later so nothing other than the concept is what I’m putting forward. I’d just like to see interest in the classes as I think offering a varied selection of racing motorcycles is a good representation of our club.

The poll has been sent out and I will be going over the responses this Wednesday with the exec to see which classes are possibly viable.

All singles are allowed in the Song of Singles class. (Sound of Singles is copyrighted so we can’t call it that) So any year from 1900 up to 2025. Why 2025? For the inclusion of Modern Lightweight bikes that have one cylinder such as the KTM 390.

Yes, the TT, XT and SR Yamaha singles can enter. And that also includes those motors being put in a modern road race chassis such as the TZ250 or RZ125. Or even a Spondon or Tigcraft if you have the luck of owning such a piece of artwork.

Exact class cut offs haven’t been defined as of yet but I would like to make it as simple as possible. With the riders input and general consensus we might even change the descriptions through the season to balance out the classes.

Road race machines means bikes with clipons (Super bike bars would also be ok) and a road racing sitting position. This guideline was meant to exclude Super Moto bikes. Converted dirt bikes into road racers would be allowed as seen in California (Formula 450).

Yes, a Rotax 625 in a TZ chassis would definitely be allowed. To me, these bikes are the definition of the SOS class. The ultimate being the Ducati Super Mono 660. Any bike with one cylinder. Four stroke. Thumper.

Timothy
Competition Coordinator

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Tim,

Are there any updates that can be shared from the meeting with the exec on Wednesday ref which of the proposed new classes are green lighted for 2025?

Cheers,

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When will the class rules be explained ?
I can’t be the only one interested.

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Hi everyone, thanks for being patient wile I figure out all the finer details to the bonus classes.

So here they are…

Battle of the Twins

Any twin cylinder four stroke motorcycles that complies with VRRA rules, including Post-Vintage models up to the 2002 model year, is eligible.
The motorcycles are divided into two classes:
The Smalls class, which includes four-stroke twins up to 740cc.
And the Biggie class, which covers four-stroke twins ranging from 750cc to 1100cc.

2 Stroke GP Open

Any two stroke motorcycle of any year, up to and including 2025.
Class is divided into three divisions, Light, Medium and Heavy.
Light is for any liquid cooled two stroke, any number of cylinders, up to 125cc liquid cooled, and up to 200cc air cooled.
Medium is for 375cc liquid cooled and 430cc air cooled machines.
Heavy is up to 750 cc multi-cylinder air and liquid cooled.

Song of (the) Singles

Four stroke single cylinder machines of any year and capacity.
Two classes, Piccolo and Grande.
Piccolo is any machine up to 390cc liquid cooled and 500cc air cooled.
Grande is for anything bigger.

Big Bore Unlimited (Philip Island Machines)

Large capacity P3 and P4 eligible machines minimum 850cc.
Two classes, Philip Island (air cooled) and Baffin Island (liquid cooled).
Air cooled is for P3 multi cylinder up to 1380cc air cooled machines.
Liquid cooled is for P4 based 1150cc machines liquid or oil cooled.

Post Vintage Invitational

Middleweight motorcycles from 1997 to 2000 with like machines to 2006
Honda CBR600F4 to 2006
Yamaha R6 to 2002
Kawasaki ZX6R to 2002
Suzuki GSXR600 to 2003
Ducati 749 all except “R”
Suzuki SV650 all
Buell XB9R
Suzuki TL1000 all
Honda RC51 all
Honda VTR1000 all

All these classes and will run at all of our events.
In addition bikes may also run in Vintage Open Junior or Vintage Open Senior as a second class and can enter the Endurance Races including Tag Team.

Timothy
Competition Coordinator

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Thanks for posting Tim !

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I’d love to see a super lightweight race,up to p3.
Example 2 cylinder 4 stroke production bikes up to 450cc
2 cylinder 2 stroke production bikes up to 250 cc
single cylinder 4 strokes production bikes up to 500cc
single cylinder 2 stroke production bikes up to 250 cc
stock engines and wheels sizes ,no 17’s